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Irons is fine as Humbert, although the typecasting was initially painful to contemplate, and Swain is a vast improvement over Lyon as young Dolores: still a bit too old for the part an inevitable problem, perhaps, for anyone who wants to film this book , but her intelligent performance makes up for this.

Without telling Lolita of her mother's fate, Humbert takes her on a cross-country auto trip, where their relationship begins to move beyond the.

Humbert pays her little mind until he meets her year-old daughter Lolita Dominique Swain , the image of the girl that Humbert once loved.

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Can we trust anything at all that's said about him in this book? But I like both the Kubrick and the Lyne versions, with reservations.

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Who is he and what do we know about him, outside of Humbert's increasingly paranoid imaginings? James Mason's performance contains the core of an accurate portrayal of Humbert, and he's often moving.

Charlotte really hated Lolita, was so jealous of her that she could not see past it. I felt that the real reason Charlotte was going to get the authorities onto HH was not because he'd been indecent with her daughter, but because she was jealous that he was.

What a mess. Humbert couldn't help what he was, that die was cast with Annabel Cateline wrote: "To my mind, the heaviest blame lies with Charlotte, her mother.

She failed miserably on account of her own insecurity, and lets be frank, her horniness Who hasn't experimented as a child with other children around the same age?

This doesn't make someone trapped for life into an endless cycle of pedophilic longings just because their first experiences are with other children.

As far as Charlotte is concerned, I found her treatment of Lolita to be very hostile, but I think it's a mistake to think that she would not have protected Lolita.

Humbert recognizes this himself, talking about how he wished she were a weaker and less moral person like his former wife. He knew that she would not give consent for him having Lolita, and being the predator that he is, I think he'd have good instincts about how far he could push someone.

Personally, I don't think the heaviest blame lies on Charlotte, but still rests squarely with Humbert. Sep 28, AM. Cateline wrote: "Yes, it was rape on HH's part, of course, no question about it.

Of course if she'd done that with the us I can't agree that the die was cast with HH, that he couldn't change. Surely all young teens will find another young teen of a similar age attractive at some point, but they don't all go on to become peadophiles.

Lo reacts like any 12 year old grl would, flirting and practising the wiles of her emerging sexuality in what is supposed to be a safe context, and in most situations would have been perfectly safe to do so.

It is because HH was the monster he was, self justifying and outright predatory, that Lo ends up losing her childhood. Charlotte may have been a really crappy selfish mother, but the blame for rape always lies squarely on the shoulders of the rapist.

Interesting that you feel he couldn't help himself though. I think that is exactly what the character though not the author wanted you to think.

Victoria wrote: "Lo reacts like any 12 year old grl would, flirting and practising the wiles of her emerging sexuality in what is supposed to be a safe context, and in most situations would have been perfectly safe to do so.

I think it's perfectly normal for a child even a child who is years younger than Lo to have crushes on adults. These can be adults that they see on TV or adults they interact with in real life.

When I was ten, I was "in love with" my fifth grade teacher, Mr. Santos, even before that, I had a crush on my uncle. The difference between Lo and others is that most girls are lucky to not have crushes on adults who will take advantage of them.

The author's intentions was not to glorify the act, but write something that would stand out beautiful. It is not hard to see how much work Nabokov did on each paragraph, each sentence.

When I was reading the novel it was not the story or even characters that affected my emotions but sheer beauty of each sentence. The story was at most mediocre.

Nabokov does not see literature as a means for morality, but some sort of art, independent from moral and social restraints.

This is why he provocatively had chosen a pedophile as his main character. Pessoa wrote: "The story was at most mediocre.

Do you mean that the plot itself is mediocre? And if so, by what rubric are we judging quality of plot? If you mean the overall story, then I would totally disagree.

There's more to Lolita the novel than simply questions of "art" and "morality". For example, Humbert Humbert's double name is an important signpost for doppelgangers in the novel, which is a part of the story, and is quite clever.

So again, I do not understand this criticism. Sep 28, PM. Victoria wrote: "Interesting that you feel he couldn't help himself though.

I think that is exactly what the character though not the author wanted you to think However, from what little I've read of pedophiles, they truly cannot help themselves.

I've read of men in prison that actually plead not to be let out, as they know they will offend again. Some actually hate what they are, and what they do when they are free to do so.

Surely all young teens will find another young teen of a similar age attractive at some point, but they don't all go on to become peadophiles Of course they don't, but there are cases, and for the art of the story, HH was simply unable to change.

Absolutely correct. If Charlotte had been even half of what a mother should have been none of it would have happened. I don't imagine that pedophiles really understand why they are the way they are.

I would think that it would be only natural for them to try and understand why they aren't normal. It is interesting that Nabakov came up with this explanation as opposed to anything else.

Cateline wrote: "However, from what little I've read of pedophiles, they truly cannot help themselves. He does control himself, in that he is stealthy enough to choose his victim and wait for an opportune time.

Cateline wrote: "However. She met a man and was smitten with him. She did not know he was a pedophile. He even admits he knows that she wouldn't offer up her daughter to keep him.

Many single mothers remarry. As soon as she realized what he was, she rejected him. I don't know how you can say she's mostly responsible for what happened.

She was dead by the time Humbert raped her. Sep 29, AM. Cateline wrote: "Victoria wrote: "Interesting that you feel he couldn't help himself though.

If most of us found ourselves attracted to someone completely innapproriate, we would take step to ensure nothing came of it.

HH instead actively persues this child, using her as a thing to satisfy his own needs while never once considering hers, and is very calculating in his grooming of her, and his plans to keep himself safe from the authorities.

I do agree though that if Charlotte had been a more attentive and affectionate mother, Lo wouldn't have felt the need to gain approval by flirting and, as is suggested, engageing in sex play with her friends and would have been less vulnerable to being groomed by HH.

I wonder, though, whom is this origin story intended to convince: himself or us? Surely what he describes did not cause his pedophilia. Is he using a common bit of childish exploration that many can relate to as a way to normalize his condition and present himself as just a tangent?

It reminds me a little of Dennis Rader's The BTK Killer's Factor X, it's a way to describe or at least give a name to the difference, but does it really enlighten much?

It's like a sick person being asked to diagnose himself; there are many parts and processes of a person that cannot be determined through his reasoning or explanations.

His origin story is interesting because it is very Freudian, focusing on the development of sexuality and emphasizing early experiences.

I think lately we tend to look more at genetics and our natural go-to point is that there must be a biological or scientific explanation.

His origin for his pedophilia sounds more Lacanian than Freudian, to be honest. The motif of doppelgangers reaches towards Lacan's mirror stage and concept of the lack.

But none of this arguing about his origin is at all useful unless you put it into context with an interpretation of the novel. You guys are engaging in basic close-reading, but you're never asking what it means.

Blame and culpability aren't really the main points of the novel, if you get my meaning. Sex happened between the two characters.

Unfortunately, macgregor, I'm not interested in that sort of analysis. It's too far removed from the literature for my taste.

However, if it interests you, have at it. I don't think it's appropriate to try to steer other people's conversation, though.

I wouldn't characterize Jennifer and I as arguing either. We'd have to have views that are opposed and I'm not sure that we do.

I've never thought much about his origin story until someone mentioned it as an explanation for his pedophilia. It's what a good discussion does in allowing people to think of things in new ways.

Thinking of things in new ways is fine but this discussion has just been deductive fallacy after deductive fallacy. There is literally no point in imagining how the novel would be different if Charlotte was a "better" mother or if x had happened.

The text is the text is the text. How we use the word "argue" is different, I see. I meant argue as in state a case. But there is a point in discussing blame and how certain factors led to certain outcomes, macgregor.

If it's not to your taste to discuss these things, then maybe you can start another thread about motifs that you found in the book that are interesting to you.

Goodreads is a big place, and no one is going to find every discussion others are involved in to be of interest. What value is there in discussing blame?

Serious question. What do you get out of figuring out who is to blame? One of the biggest aspects of the novel is understanding that Humbert is an unreliable and biased narrator.

The book is less about his actions and more about his state of mind and the stripping of Lolita of any true identity even the name Lolita takes away a unique piece of her If you can't understand that what you are reading is meant to be wrong, it's meant to challenge you Humbert is supposed to draw your sympathies not because he is a sympathetic character, but because Nabakov is such a genius when he portrays what Humbert views as legitimate justifications , and it is supposed to repulse you as well.

If you don't realize that you are reading from the POV from someone who is quite literally insane, you shouldn't be reading the book at all. Hell, Nabakov himself stated that he didn't like Humbert, and he created the character.

Lolita isn't a great book because of pedophilic content, it's a great book because of how deep it delves into Humbert's psyche and how Nabakov can engross the readers in that dark place and make them forget just quite how dark and wrong it truly is.

Beth wrote: "One of the biggest aspects of the novel is understanding that Humbert is an unreliable and biased narrator.

The book is less about his actions and more about his state of mind and the stripping of Beth wrote: "Lolita isn't a great book because of pedophilic content, it's a great book because of how deep it delves into Humbert's psyche and how Nabakov can engross the readers in that dark place and make them forget just quite how dark and wrong it truly is.

I think the inclusion of such content created the necessary contrast in order for the reader to experience both the beauty of his writing and the horror of the content.

The reader is seduced and swept along through the manipulations of the narrator and it takes a while to recalibrate your own brain to process it in a way that is non-Humbertian.

The book is less about his actions and more about his state of mind and the Even the way Lolita reads I feel that if one can properly place "blame" or more accurately, understanding who is actually the originator of the problem, we can more easily trace and therefore understand the how and why of the action that has taken place.

A bit like good detective work. The concept of blame is really loaded with all sorts of personal bugaboos for each of us. Beth wrote In the end, HH did accept his responsibility, that, at least, is to his very dubious credit.

He did have the full understanding of what he'd robbed her of. Sep 29, PM. Beth wrote: "Hardly That is to say, every human being on the planet? I don't think Beth's idea of Humbert's insanity is unusual.

On the reading guide questions for Lolita for Random House Inc. Can we trust a story told by an insane narrator?

My response to this should be painfully predictable: Random House is not really a reputable arbiter of mental health, no? Humbert has a specific sexual proclivity and a tendency to puff himself up - just like everybody.

However, while his sexual orientation is demonstrably unethical and quite dangerous, I'm not at any point willing to concede that he's insane.

That's a ridiculous leap of logic. Nobody is asking you to concede. Really, I don't think anyone here is interested in changing your mind.

My point was that believing Humbert to be insane is not an unusual position. Many people believe that he is. He's even been in several mental institutions, so, within the framework of the story, the case could definitely be made.

In my opinion, it's not ridiculous at all, although I don't personally think he's insane, it's not completely shocking to me that others may think he is.

You may want to rethink your use of the word ridiculous. When you use it as often as you do and for such common opinions, it sounds a bit hysterical.

I suppose I'm still smarting from the rape vs murder comment from above thread. However, I choose my words carefully and ridiculous was the word that best fit my opinion.

I'm not concerned with how you use your own words. Strike that. I'm actually very concerned about the misuse of words and of concepts. Especially complicated concepts.